WWDC

LoOkOuT

2 mins and counting

LoOkOuT

new MacPros, with Core 2 Duos and up to 4 hard drives (2 TB); removable optical drives. Follow it all at http://www.macrumors.com

Minisweeper

bastards.

Bergamot

Time Machine?

EDIT: Seems like a consumer-oriented version control system. Would be a little more impressive if Vista hadn't announced theirs last week.

LoOkOuT

Gonna need 2TB for that

LoOkOuT

"10:38 am devs are impressed" LOL!

Bergamot

Given compression techniques and it only saving changes, it probably only cuts your usable space in half. I don't think that's an unreasonable sacrifice in exchange for brainless backup.

The fact that it can be made to work with an off-site server makes it even more attractive.

The main question is the UI, and whether they can convey the complexities of version control in a way that actual people can use.

Bergamot

Woohoo, front row for all, and virtual desktops!

Bergamot

Email stationary? Is this 1997?

EDIT: Apparently "exciting updates to mail" means "letting Mail do what Outlook did a decade ago" Notes and to-do lists, woohoo.

LoOkOuT

And Victoria's gotta a sexy new voice!

LoOkOuT

"Email stationary? Is this 1997?" Time Machine in action

Bergamot

This is pathetic.

There better be a big frickin' reveal at the end to justify spending 10 minutes talking about stale email functionality.

Bergamot

ICHAT UPDATES!

multiple logins, visibility, animated icons, video recording, and tabbed chats

I LUB YOU STEEVE JOBS

giginger

You know, I'm really starting to get tempted by a Mac. If they've got good updates for Mac Mini to give it some more power etc then I'm probably in there.

Bergamot

All in all though, this keynote was pretty weaksauce.

The Mac Pro and Xserves look sweet, but practically everyone was expecting them, and their awesomeness owes more to Intel than to Apple.

Time Machine is pretty, and looks simple to use, but (like I said before) there are some huge wrinkles to work out of version control before my grandma can use it. Even if you only allow one user to access the tree, you still have forking and merge issues to deal with.

As for the rest of the stuff, given the degree of rhetoric lobbed at Microsoft for "ripping off" Apple's good ideas, you'd think they'd have been a little more discrete when borrowing their "new feature" ideas from Outlook, GAIM, and every Linux window manager ever written.

Remember: when Microsoft does it, they're "Copycats", when Apple does it, it's "Innovation".

k4zzy

How am I ever going to decide between a MacBook Pro and a Mac Pro? Damn.

I've never owned a portable. Is it worth it?

Minisweeper

I switched from desktop to laptop a few months ago and I cant see myself going back in a hurry...

k4zzy

DAMN YOU MINI! Now I'll never be able to decide. ;)

Bergamot

I think it really depends what you're using it for, and whether you need the extra horsepower/expandability. Also keep in mind the inevitable move to quad-core Xeons this winter.

imathis

I'm using the macbook pro and I love it. You can't beat the portability, but it also depends on how long you expect your computer to last. Portables seem to date themselves quicker IMO, and they get a lot more wear and tear. I play bf2 and oblivion through bootcamp and it runs like a dream, so if it's performance you're worried about, it can handle a good deal. If you're doing video work though, I'd always reccomend a desktop (sorry i hate the term "tower").

k4zzy

Bergamot, quad-core Xeons in the portables? I find that hard to believe.

I don't do a whole lot of video work, and I don't necessarily need all that horsepower at this moment. The main reason I would get a desktop over a laptop are expandability.

It's still a hard choice to make.

Bergamot

k4zzy: no, I meant in the Mac Pro.

The portables will likely get Core 2 Duo at some point, though.

Crypt

meh i'll stick with Adium because as much as iChat now looks more polished and has some cool new features, which many are available through Chax, Adium has a lot more to offer. Time Machine is cool but they went too far with the UI, kind of looks corny. Spaces is cool even though they took the idea from Virtue Desktops (the developer even said he knew this was coming). Out of all of WWDC I really like Core Animation, XCode 3.0 and new Interface Builder, and the Mac Pro's.

prince_of_oreon

crypt: "...but they went too far with the UI, kind of looks corny"
ditto.

Bergamot

Clarification: I don't have a problem with Apple ripping off ideas from every piece of software ever written and bundling it with Leopard.

I have a problem with them ripping off lots of ideas and simultaneously giving Microsoft a tremendous amount of shit for ripping off ideas.

The first is the natural order of the software industry, the second is base hypocrisy.

k4zzy

"k4zzy: no, I meant in the Mac Pro."
Sorry, I read your original comment as dual-core instead of quad-core, so that is why I was confused. More coffee!