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We have one more browser to test our Vanilla with; Apple just released Safari 3 for windows XP and Vista. http://www.apple.com/safari/
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  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Dinoboff, you beat me by 11 minutes!

    Now you can really see what you've all been missing in PC land!
    I am so thrilled for you I'm having a virtual drink on your behalf, cheers!

    Posted: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 at 9:29AM

  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Check out the manual resizing of the comment box! (in fact any form text box!)

    Posted: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 at 9:36AM

  • resplenceresplence
    Posts: 12
    Awesome, it breaks every single site. Check how good it makes Vanilla look:

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    The worst thing is that the bugs look irrational. If I were to "fix" it, I would have absolutely no idea where to start. What would I do? Make all links "display:block"? I'm lost.

    It also does not recognize my scroll wheel (I totally can't browse without it).
  • lechlech
    Posts: 3,235
    It's called BETA for a reason... :)
  • dan39dan39
    Posts: 421
    That's not pretty.. I wouldn't try to fix that. If anything, a browser bug should be reported (just click the "Bug" button next to the address bar). Although I haven't had a chance to test it out yet, I'm pretty sure that Safari 3.0 knows how to render the layout properly, since Safari 2.0 has no problem (on Mac OS X at least). It's hard to tell from the screenshot, but I'm going to take a wild guess that there's a font issue going on there between Safari and your install of XP. Ditto what Lech said — that's definitely a beta issue.
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Vanilla looks fine on the Mac version of Safari 3, as does every other site I have visited so far.

    Posted: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 at 1:49PM

  • resplenceresplence
    Posts: 12
    Yeah, I'm reporting all of it.
  • MinisweeperMinisweeper
    Posts: 5,574
    Someone let me know when the release version is available.
    And also convince my new employers to get me a macbook not a pc laptop.
  • gigingergiginger
    Posts: 1,010
    I found that Safari was a bit slow to start loading the first page but after that it's OK. Just doesn't work in the way I'm used to. Ctrl-Enter doesn't happen. I wasn't expecting that. Apart from that. All looks good.
  • dan39dan39
    Posts: 421
    I'm posting using Safari 3 right now (on Mac OS X), and everything's looking good here on Vanilla. It seems like this version of Safari has fixed the problems with the AJAX effects on the Discussion Filters in the side panel. They used to get stuck, but now they act like they should.
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Hey giginger, what magic do you expect Ctrl-Enter to do?

    Posted: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 at 7:50AM

  • gigingergiginger
    Posts: 1,010
    If I type gmail and then hit Ctrl enter then it should put the http://www. and .com either side. Works in every other browse Ive used. Of course, the enter button just gave up on this Tablet as I might have had a slight drinks leakage in my bag. I didnt realise how much I used that button until now. Backspace doesnt work either :(
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    What about https://, .net, .org., .com.au, .com.nz, etc...?
    Seems like something I could give up without too much stress.

    Posted: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 at 9:59AM

  • MinisweeperMinisweeper
    Posts: 5,574
    To be honest, although i once discovered what ctrl-enter did, i never got into the habit of using it, and then i forgot all about it. I can imagine if i was used to using it all the time and suddenly i couldnt it'd be slightly annoying but it's hardly a huge feature imo. That said i'm pretty much into the habit of typing whatever url i want into google and assuming it will be the top result :)
  • gigingergiginger
    Posts: 1,010
    I think for .org it's Ctrl-Shift-Enter but the only times I visit a site with any of those endings is by clicking a link. 99% of the site I visit are .com It's just one of those things you get into the habit of doing so I miss it when it's not there. I'm not going to be using Safari as a main browser anyway. I'm too entrenched with Firefox to swap and I found the fonts in it to be blurry.
  • jsandersjsanders
    Posts: 205
    I made one of those quick searches in firefox for google's "I'm feeling lucky" button. So now I just type "gl lussumo" and get fired off to the right place. Personally, I won't be switching away from Firefox because I'm not sure that I could survive without Adblock.
  • bjrnbjrn
    Posts: 521
    Yeah, some things I am missing are adblocking, mouse gestures, bookmark shortcuts & searches (I want to search from the address bar, I don't want to have to use some separate window), and some way to make all text less blurry.

    After that it might be totally okay to use. By the way, Vanilla looks just fine in Safari for me (using Windows XP).
  • DinoboffDinoboff
    Posts: 1,880
    @bjrn: "Edit > Preferences > Appearance > Font Smoothing : light" should help
  • NickENickE
    Posts: 921
    hmm, I highly dislike the way apple has decided to completely ditch the standard UI and enforce their own, uglier and 'clunkier' (imho) version on users. they should at least give you a choice to revert to the current system theme. on a similar note, however, I find how they decided to use their own text-rendering algorithm rather neat; it makes for a more interesting browsing experience (at least, until the novelty wears off :-P ). then there are the miscellaneous bugs -- such as how it restores a maximized window -- and annoyances -- like its lack of full middle-button support -- but most of those can probably be attributed to its 'beta' release stage.

    I don't think it'll ever cause me to switch from Opera, but if they ever fix the UI then I'll definitely consider it as a possible alternative.
  • WallPhoneWallPhone
    Posts: 2,301
    Full middle button support? I'm suprised they actually have right-button support!

    ::ducks::

    (I know, I know, control+click. I learned that trick weeks before it debued in Mac OS 8.5 while working tech support for Apple. So there.)
  • bjrnbjrn
    Posts: 521
    Thanks for the suggestion, Dinoboff, but it's still blurry after that. Looks like it should check if I have clear type switched on already, and only try to do it's own smoothing if it's switched off (although I have to say it doesn't look great with clear type off either, not really sure there's a difference).
  • dan39dan39
    Posts: 421
    For anyone who's having trouble with the fonts on the Windows version of Safari 3.0, this article should help: http://www.markrushworth.com/template_permalink.asp?id=148
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Fonts in Safari on OSX are a beautiful sight! If they are not beautiful on your system, blame your fonts, your monitor, driver...

    Posted: Thursday, 14 June 2007 at 8:04AM

  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    I was half-way through a new post and I wanted to close the tab when Safari 3 threw this up...

    If you close the tab, your changes will be lost. Do you want to close the tab anyway?

    Wow, now that's a new one in my book!

    Posted: Thursday, 14 June 2007 at 10:53AM

  • bjrnbjrn
    Posts: 521
    Fonts in Safari on OSX are a beautiful sight! If they are not beautiful on your system, blame your fonts, your monitor, driver...
    Or, I could just blame Safari instead, because that's where the problem is. Note that's it's the Windows version of Safari I'm blaming, not Safari in general.
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    Fonts in Exploder on Windows suck too. I don't know what renders the fonts on Windows, the OS or the application, I suspect the former.

    Posted: Thursday, 14 June 2007 at 7:36PM

  • DinoboffDinoboff
    Posts: 1,880
    The question is not about which font rendering is better: the osX one or the Windows one. They are different and when you are used to one, the other one hurt your eyes. The problem here, is that Safari on windows doesn't render fonts like the other windows programs, so each time you switch from one program to safari, that hurts. That makes safari less usable and I hope they will change that.
  • WandererWanderer
    Posts: 2,419
    I remember when I first saw anti-aliased text on a screen, it looked weird at first. But these days, when I see text on a Windows screen looking so... well you know what they look like, I wonder how people put up with it.

    I suspect Safari is anti-aliasing as it does on OS X but something is either not working "right" or what you see, as Dinoboff suggests, is "different" and you need to get used to it.

    All I can say is that type looks great from where I'm sitting. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Posted: Thursday, 14 June 2007 at 8:30PM

  • dan39dan39
    Posts: 421
    BTW, even Firefox and IE7 anti-alias their text differently: http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2006/01/31/ie-7-beta-2-fonts/
  • bjrnbjrn
    Posts: 521
    Just to show you what I'm on about:
    what I'm used to
    what Safari does (especially note the upper case Ts)
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