Haha - That would be pretty fun :D

Either that or lose the dl altogether (as this is the only place it is used), and go with the more standard PanelList ul?

I've emailed you about this...

I have the same question ... could you loop me in on this as well? I'd really appreciate it.

vf.org is just another theme. The default style at github is still going to be the core theme.

Should we expect more css fixes/changes? Because lena is kinda tired of updating her themes every other day :)

The only things we've been changing are related to cleanup. For example, if we see a place where there are duplicated styles on different classes, we will consolidate. Other fixes will include any browser-related issues that people discover.

When it comes to updating themes, there are some good practices you can adopt to make that easier: With this theme, I add all of my customizations to the end of my css file, and just copy/paste any changes to the core files above my customizations (take a look at my theme's style.css to see what I mean).

We're using hg mq (basically patches over the default theme on a mercurial repo), so that's not too bad :). This way, there's no duplicate stuff in the css. If I found time, I might just write a makefile to create a full and a release zip, the release one being css tidy'd to be smaller.

Indeed, it was not too difficult with Dakr to keep up with your fixes the last 2 weeks :)

If you want to help out with the css by tidying it up, we'd be happy to have the help :)

Well, it's just a program call css tidy, that remove unecessary stuff, that's good for serving the files, not to work on them :): http://csstidy.sourceforge.net/example.php
I'm really not into css, I'm quite at a loss creating stuff for my sample Simpleblog application.

bbPress and Vanilla are entirely different animals. The biggest differences are the way they're written. From a development standpoint, Vanilla is object-oriented while bbPress is not. This makes the majority of our codebases very different. We are very extensible, while bbpress relies almost entirely on hooks. Vanilla is built so you can extend it far beyond being "just a forum".

Finally, bbPress is made by the folks at WordPress, and while they're all very talented developers, bbPress is not their priority (WordPress is). Over here, Vanilla is our bread and butter and we are entirely devoted to it.

I see - I'm still trying to get my head around Garden. I see where most of the differences come in.

Reason I'm asking relates to something I'd like to implement for a community board i have set up. Earlier this year, I created a community board, called Dev:station; where members can share anything software/web development-related. At it's starting point, everything ran smoothly. Now, I've found the need to expand. I know very well that I can integrate WordPress/BuddyPress (including bbPress) to form a complete community/social networking site (obviusly devoted to a specific topic). The problem is this: Development on the bbPress side is slow, also somewhat difficult to expand. Also, now that you've mentioned it, it may be better to use OOP due to extensibility and reliablity.
How hard would it be to create a blogging and/or social network app in Garden? I'm very new to the platform, so it would be interesting to see what can be made from it.

Another thing, is Garden itself very stable at the moment, or is it still in the main development stages?

It's stable enough for us to use it on our hosting service at VanillaForums.com. Technically, you could definitely use it as a social networking tool. You might also want to look into BuddyPress, though.

Glad to hear it!