Alternatives to FCKeditor

Sage_of_Fire · May 2008

I tried installing FCKeditor in my vanilla forum, but it doesn't work and I can't figure out why. I don't have the expertise to troubleshoot it, so does somebody have a reliable alternative to FCKeditor? I don't need all the fancy options like video embedding or layouts, I just need some easy-to-use tools for making smileys, hyperlinks, and pictures. I don't need image uploading capabilities or anything fancy like that.

rayk · May 2008

Perhaps this?

suicideking · May 2008

The nice edit is tempting but how does one post the HTML code "anywhere on the page" as the instructions state? Do you just have to upload the file to extensions like every other add-on?

Wanderer · May 2008

NiceEdit will work if you add those two lines using an extension.

Look at the DPlayer add-on, it does a similar thing, it adds two lines of code (or maybe just one) then the associated script does the rest.

I don't have time to do this now, I'm on a Vista machine with no familiar tools! :-(

Sage_of_Fire · May 2008

New question: has anybody else used NicEdit successfully on a Vanilla forum, and if so, how? I added the code easily, but I learned it wasn't compatible with the ksesXHTML extension I was using. I switched back to the standard HTML formatter extension, and it worked... sort of. It will insert links and pictures properly, but when I post a picture, it hangs down into the post below as it it's got a "float" style property on it. Is this problem caused by Vanilla's styling, or the NicEdit program. If it is NicEdit's problem, does somebody have an easy fix, or better yet an extension that solves this problem? Thanks for reading...

Wanderer · May 2008

I tested NicEdit by adding the following to the head using Nugget...

<script src="http://js.nicedit.com/nicEdit-latest.js"; type="text/javascript"></script>
<script type="text/javascript">bkLib.onDomLoaded(nicEditors.allTextAreas);</script>

The script itself worked (Nugget is brilliant) as did the formatter but nothing previewed and submitting the comment returned an error saying there was nothing in the comments box.

As I suspected, there's more to this project than simply adding the JavaScripts.

fysicsluvr · May 2008

It's probably changing the name of the textbox.

JohnnyFive · May 2008

I have successfully used NicEdit on my site, but I don't like the way it works. Actually I don't like the way any of the text editors work atm. I'm really kind of at a loss, cause it really sucks not having a lightweight formatter. NicEdit has looked the nicest so far, but every editor I've used has weird quirks when typing in text. The best one i've found would be YahooUI, but whenever I use that I can't post.. Whenever I add a new post using YahooUI it tells me the discussion can't be found. WTF?

Wanderer · May 2008

JohnnyFive did it actually post the message?

Did you link to the javascript files on their server or did you download and install locally?

As I said above, I got it to work but it posted "empty"...

Sage_of_Fire · May 2008

I'm trying out Tinymce right now, but I really hate it. It sucked up 33kb of my server space for a bunch of features I don't need. I know there must be a simple text editor out there somewhere that'll work with vanilla... All I really need is five functions: Bold, Italic, Underline, Hyperlink, and Picture. I think I could probably build something myself that simple if I was more familiar with vanilla.

Wanderer · May 2008

My needs exactly that's why I thought NicEdit would be ideal.

IanC22 · March 2011

Anyone got nicEdit working as a plugin?

TiGR · March 2011

You may try my tinyMCE plugin as FCKE alternative: https://github.com/TiGR/TinyMCE

I have not yet released it.

[-Stash-] · March 2011

NicEdit: Version: 0.9 r23 - January 4th, 2009

Doesn't look like it's being actively maintained any more... beta test for TiGR instead!

tester13 · March 2011

@TiGR
Igor - your TiniMCE plugin is superb :-)
I also wante you to look for http://code.google.com/p/rloader/ use, so by default user will see simple text entry field, but as soon as control will get focus, all scripts will load. Can be useful for large sites that have 95% of visitors just viewing pages.

Any chance for you to look at SWD Markdown editor (one used by StackOverflow)?
Having option to use Markdown as main formatter seems to be interesting.

TiGR · March 2011

For optimizations I prefer using minify plugin instead. MWD markdown editor is a fine thing, but it is obfusicated, there are no sources available.

There are other markdown editors out there, btw.

tester13 · March 2011

You are not right about WMD source:

http://code.google.com/p/wmd-new/

As for Minify - delayed loading for reply field is, in fact, much more effective, as most peopl enever write anything.
Minify is quite stupid plugin, in fact. That is not very effective for actual optimization.

TiGR · March 2011

Stupid? Not very effective? Why?

tester13 · March 2011

Stupid? Not very effective? Why?

I already described why on this forum few times.

It combines js and css into minified files and replaces all references in header.
So, for many views you have absolutely different JS and CSS files with only difference being small CSS or JS file that is now included.
Automatic Minifier is completely wrong approach for most forums, except for very small ones.
Most optimization must be done by hand (as this is really one time change that could be used in all other installations). All else could be done by static based plugin with some intelligence in it.

Lincoln · March 2011

tester13 · March 2011

@Lincoln

Not fun.

Try to read that I wrote and think about it.
I know that you want to show how cool you are, but looking at this is just sad.

Tim · March 2011

Actually, Minify was shown to reduce page load times fairly significantly for a comparatively low cost of effort for the average forum owner. Low effort is what we're aiming for 90% of the time, so this is a win for us and our users.

The idea is to determine what js and CSS is loaded *always* or *often* and condense that, then conditionally load the rest. This has the net result of reducing the number of connections opened to the webserver, and eliminating the overhead that those create.

If you notice, the plugin is still in its infancy and was released somewhat prematurely as a proof of concept in a way. We're slowly making improvements to it in order to mitigate some of the obvious (yes, painfully obvious, even to morons like us) downsides.

On the subject of Automated Minification being useless, you are incorrect.

Tim · March 2011

Also, stop linking your bug tracker. Next time you do it you're banned.

tester13 · March 2011

Why I must be banned? It seems extremely strange.
I do not see here anyone who can understand your GitHub issues list that is full of outdated things.
I offered you to install any other normal bug tracker yourselfs, and I'll move all issues I have on mine to yours.
Right now no one can work on core because you can't see any bugs and features people are working at. Commints come from nowhere as complete surprises.
If you want to work this way, do not call it open source project.
I work at UX design, user supupor and lead, but never saw such approach.

Lincoln · March 2011

Right now no one can work on core

Not everyone got the memo.

tester13 · March 2011

@Lincoln

You do not read my messages :-)
So, here is this part again:

Right now no one can work on core because you can't see any bugs and features people are working at.
Commints come from nowhere as complete surprises.

How I can get information about bugs they are working at, or features?
I know about idea of no premature information.
But most information must be available for bugs and known upcoming features.

luc · March 2011

How can it be better done with your own bug tracker or any other one?

Vanilla team work on what is asked by their clients, because if they want to be able to do such a product and being paid for that, that's what is needed.

Other work on their own free time for their own goal, and vf team do work on committing those things when they have time. If you like vanilla, and want it to be a success, that's the way to go.

tester13 · March 2011

OK, I got idea.

It looks like separate fork will be my only option then.

luc · March 2011

That's just common sense.

luc · March 2011

Some bugs are minor inconvenience, some are just not bugs at all.
When some bugs are indeed serious, the team does work pretty fast to solve them and to release a new version.

luc · March 2011

OK, I got idea.

It looks like separate fork will be my only option then.

Nice to edit and change completely your comment...

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